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Hey all. I'm new to the forums, and I've had a hard time finding certain answers through online searches, but this forum usually has the answers I need if I dig enough. So thank you for this awesome forum!
So, I just started playing CiV recently and I'm only on my first game, just Warlord difficulty. I started off as Rome and was enjoying several luxury trade agreements with Harun, who, of course, later went ballistic on me when I dared settle a desert town with Petra. The agreements we had when we were friendly were 1:1 deals. Now, if I ask him for anything, he asks for all my lux, strategic resources (abbrev?), gold, and an embassy for kicks. Hey, I understand that - we just got out of a war where I spanked him, so it would make sense that the less he likes me, the less he's willing to deal fairly.
I thus moved on to others to trade with, including Gus at Neutral; Isa, Hia, and Washington at Friendly; and Genghis and Sejong at Friendly with DoFs. This is where I got confused, because every one of them, including Washington who was tiny and feared my military, and even my "friends" traded exactly the same way as the now hostile Harun is trading. I have no negative modifiers (that I can see) with any player except for Harun. I even denounced Harun with Sejong and allowed him Open Borders when he asked after our DoF. No more 1:1's; not even close. And this is only Warlord (if that even matters).
Now, I'd understand this a little better if I also knew a small aspect of the trade screen, i.e. the Luxury Item section. To sum this up, my two sets of questions are as follows:
1) Are fair trades only possible early game or are they pretty much non-existent in peace-time?
2) When on the trade screen with Sejong, e.g., does "Copper (1)" means he only has 1 Copper period, or is that a copy he's trading? Would it have to say "Copper (2)" for him to actually have a copy to spare, and even then would I even get near a fair trade at this point (turn 130)?
Thanks for any help you can give. Thanks for humoring a long message from this forum and CiV noob. So far, I'm addicted, but that's been the case with every single Civ!
-Kev
Hey all. I'm new to the forums, and I've had a hard time finding certain answers through online searches, but this forum usually has the answers I need if I dig enough. So thank you for this awesome forum!
So, I just started playing CiV recently and I'm only on my first game, just Warlord difficulty. I started off as Rome and was enjoying several luxury trade agreements with Harun, who, of course, later went ballistic on me when I dared settle a desert town with Petra. The agreements we had when we were friendly were 1:1 deals. Now, if I ask him for anything, he asks for all my lux, strategic resources (abbrev?), gold, and an embassy for kicks. Hey, I understand that - we just got out of a war where I spanked him, so it would make sense that the less he likes me, the less he's willing to deal fairly.
I thus moved on to others to trade with, including Gus at Neutral; Isa, Hia, and Washington at Friendly; and Genghis and Sejong at Friendly with DoFs. This is where I got confused, because every one of them, including Washington who was tiny and feared my military, and even my "friends" traded exactly the same way as the now hostile Harun is trading. I have no negative modifiers (that I can see) with any player except for Harun. I even denounced Harun with Sejong and allowed him Open Borders when he asked after our DoF. No more 1:1's; not even close. And this is only Warlord (if that even matters).
Now, I'd understand this a little better if I also knew a small aspect of the trade screen, i.e. the Luxury Item section. To sum this up, my two sets of questions are as follows:
1) Are fair trades only possible early game or are they pretty much non-existent in peace-time?
2) When on the trade screen with Sejong, e.g., does "Copper (1)" means he only has 1 Copper period, or is that a copy he's trading? Would it have to say "Copper (2)" for him to actually have a copy to spare, and even then would I even get near a fair trade at this point (turn 130)?
Thanks for any help you can give. Thanks for humoring a long message from this forum and CiV noob. So far, I'm addicted, but that's been the case with every single Civ!
-Kev