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What are your experiences with new BWN civs now?

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I haven't played them all so I'll mention the ones I played. I want to hear other people's experiences with the new civilizations also.

I won't do anyone 1-5 rating or anything because if I don't like a civ I might just be doing it wrong or they might suck. Time will tell as BWN is played further and people analyze the tactics further.

My experience is on the king difficulty so it is far far from the highest level of play.

Assyria -----------------

I played them in a marathon game on a huge map on a pangea with increased city states to max and I was going for domination. I like them a lot. I was able to beeline military ignoring other sciences without falling apart. I rushed my siege towers out and started taking neighbors. As soon as I could and managed to get all the techs I needed from my UA.

I did get a bit lucky this game though and my first city was close enough for me to see Uluru and toss my second city next to it. So I got a religion with deserts and desert folklore. I went tradition then some honor into Economics and and then autocracy and I should of gone liberty instead of tradition for my large puppet empire.

The UA is by far the best thing about Assyria. Normally it's hard to ignore parts of the tech tree but I got all those free techs from people who found it for me. The UU and UB seem to just exist to support your UA. Even before I had the military structure to support the UU on it's dangerous walk to the town the UU can easily give those city attacking archers that 50% siege while the tower itself gets into a protected by melee position.

I basically just walked through all my neighbors taking them over one by one. The max cities states hurt me because Siam bought them all and embargoed me. I made enough cash with trading posts and city connections to keep a good sized war machine going to finish by the modern era.

Happiness was my biggest worry even with a strong religion and lots of buildings giving me happiness it's just not as easy to come by as it used to be.




Brazil -----------------
I played them on a marathon game large map with normal cities and city states and continents. Brazil has an amazing tourism game.

The game was trickier because I was on an island alone with china who kept attacking me even though my capital was in a pretty defensible position. I went piety/tradition obtained mosques and pagodas and they both gave me +2 tourism for my reformation.

Brazil wood camps are amazing I snagged a religion thanks to piety and had +1 culture from jungles as a pantheon so after universities I was getting +2 food +2 gold +3 culture +2 science from each jungle I had. It was a rough start but when I started getting those camps and universities I was shooting ahead of everyone.

They start rougher then other civs because they can't do much until late game. I tried to keep my happiness and zero to control my golden ages earlier so they would be quick and cheap late game when I had the tourism for my golden ages to make a difference. With freedom and the Chichen Itza it was 32 turns of carnival after 32 turns of carnival once beginning I took hotels and everyone just fell down from the party bomb power of carnival

I finished before airports and after hotels and I was pumping out almost a thousand tourism during my carnival which when you add in the 100% spread rate and how long my carnivals lasted no one stood a chance against them. I'm not sure any civilization can complete with a Brazilian culture game as long as you watch your golden ages.

I never really used the UU to have much to say about it. I had a war with china since day one since we shared a relatively small island and never got over it but I beat them back using frigates and artillery. Since then, even though Austria was mad at me and bigger then me, the defensive pacts I had and the embargo I bought on Austria made her threat minimized so I could take everyone with culture during peace.




Indonesia -----------------
I played a quick game standard map archipelago. It was fun. I liked having the extra resources for my trade town and the extra happiness. Suleiman went to war with me though and destroyed he all my trade boats and beat me up. It ended around the renaissance.

I made some early mistakes that were my fault so I didn't get full feel of them. I wasn't that into the kriss warriors but I do like the religion boost of from kandi.

They definitively feel like they work best as a somewhat wide trade empire in a map that is not Pangaea. If they get a religion they will be pumping out the faith buildings too thanks to the power of kandi.




Morocco -
I haven't played them yet.

Poland -
I haven't played them yet.

Portugal -----------------
I had a standard game standard size continent game I was testing things with. You will be able to go somewhat wide because of the feitorias but those are really limited because of their positioning rules. It's the gold modifier Portugal is best at. Your trade city will feel like Venice with all the cash it rolls in for you.

I made the Big Ben and I sent a thousand or so nau's on trade missions then deleted them to make a profit for a long time and that's 1 per city. They have such a low cost and make such a nice profit they are very spammable.

It's definitely a diplomatic victory civ. If you go to war people might plunder your trade routes and you need those but you can buy all the city states and do whatever you want with world congress and everyone else can just back off.




Shoshone -
I haven't played them yet.

Venice -----------------
I have an unfinished team game with them where I'm Venice and the other player is Poland. I have all the money. I can just throw money at my teammate whenever I want. We are in the modern era and I'm covered in money. I own most of the city states so when it comes to a vote I can do whatever I want whenever I want for whatever reason I want.

I need to keep up with my navy though because I have almost all my trade routes coming from my capital which means it wouldn't take a lot of work for someone who declares war on me to wipe out all my income.




Zulus -
I haven't played them yet.

New France -
I haven't played them yet.

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